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openSUSE and Tracking 4.1 Development

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Submitted by beineri on Sun, 02/10/2008 - 08:45.

First two mentions from an exciting openSUSE week: the new openSUSE evan..uhm community manager has been finally disclosed, it's Joe "Zonker" Brockmeier. And openSUSE 11.0 Alpha 2 has been released with which we put KDE 4.0 to the test as default desktop. To keep up with openSUSE happenings occasionally I recommend openSUSE Weekly News btw...

As previously said openSUSE will, besides providing packages for the KDE 4.0 branch, continue to track the KDE trunk/4.1 development with packages for openSUSE 10.3 and Factory. This happens in the new KDE:KDE4:UNSTABLE:* Build Service repositories. The packages don't have all of our distro-specific patches though. Don't mix these repositories with the *:STABLE:* editions! A new KDE Four Live CD version including our current KDE 4.0.61 snapshot and KOffice 1.9.95.3 packages has just been uploaded. This CD should now also work with KVM (4.0.1 CD xdelta patch for KVM). Smiling

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KDE 4.0 as default desktop?

Submitted by kamikazow on Sun, 02/10/2008 - 11:05.

I'm sorry to sound rude, but are you crazy?!? Almost all KDE developers (IIRC including you) said that KDE 4.0 is not ready for mainstream and that the first mainstream release will be 4.1. If openSUSE 11.0 was to be released after KDE 4.1.0 then I could understand this decision for Alpha 2 as a preparation for KDE 4.1, but shipping KDE 4.0 as default desktop for openSUSE is insane when you see openSUSE as mainstream SUSE release. Or are endusers suddenly supposed to buy a SUSE Enterprise Desktop subscription?
My suggestion is that you either delay openSUSE 11.0 by one month and ship KDE 4.1.0 with it or that you use KDE 3.5.9 as pure desktop provider without any KDE 3 applications (install KDE 4.0 applications by default instead). Another (IMHO not preferred) alternative would be to ship openSUSE 11.0 with a beta version of KDE 4.1. I wouldn't be surprised if a KDE 4.1 beta was better for the mainstream than KDE 4.0.

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Re: KDE 4.0 as default desktop

Submitted by beineri on Sun, 02/10/2008 - 13:48.

Btw, don't think that my opinion you read in this blog is always the same as that of openSUSE, my team colleagues or of our managers. Latter (have to) decide with constraints like resource allocation, release schedules and effects on enterprise products in mind.

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KDE 4.0 as default desktop?

Submitted by beineri on Sun, 02/10/2008 - 11:42.

Did you notice that this is a distro Alpha release? With lots of KDE3 applications, even most of our own stuff not being ported yet. If we wouldn't work on it now and push testing of KDE4 then we wouldn't have found and fixed one problem within KDE3 libraries which made applications crash at start. This Alpha implies no final decision whether to go back to 3.5, use 4.0.x (the decision to backport selected Plasma features to 4.0.x helps) or switch to 4.1 branch. Look at the openSUSE 11.0 roadmap, there are about 2 months left until final decision.

> Or are endusers suddenly supposed to buy a SUSE Enterprise Desktop subscription?

SLED sales because of KDE being included are certainly welcome. Smiling

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> Did you notice that this

Submitted by kamikazow on Sun, 02/10/2008 - 13:01.

> Did you notice that this is a distro Alpha release?
Did you read my posting? Eye-wink I wrote:
"If openSUSE 11.0 was to be released after KDE 4.1.0 then I could understand this decision for Alpha 2 as a preparation for KDE 4.1"

> Look at the openSUSE 11.0 roadmap
I did. That's why I'm commenting now and not (unlike e.g. the OSNews.com staff) after the final release.
If I didn't read the roadmap, I wouldn't know that the targeted release date for openSUSE 11.0 is 1 month before the targeted KDE 4.1.0 release. Eye-wink

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Well, in your calculation

Submitted by dipesh on Sun, 02/10/2008 - 13:43.

Well, in your calculation you probably also like to look at the 4.1 Release Schedule. So, that time everything for 4.1 is phrozen anyway what means, that in that month only fixes will land. I assume just like there will be packages of 4.1.1, 4.1.2, etc. around, there will also be some for 4.1.0-final.
I also remember back using a few years ago KDE 3.0rc-something that was provided that time in Suse. So, all in all imho it makes quit sense to keep that option open taken into account how fast things process this days and then decide if it's time to decide Smiling

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